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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By u_ne_korn. 15/04/10, 04:47 pm

The rules for the Armageddon cosplay competition are the rules for the Armageddon cosplay competition. This competition is about a specific kind of costuming/performing.
The rules are the rules and if you can't abide by them, you can't enter.

HOWEVER, the Armageddon Cosplay competition is just one contest. It's the one that gets the most publicity around CNZ, but it's definately not the only one.

If people want to make, but not wear costumes, for whatever reason, then there are plenty of other places that accomodate this. You mentioned WOW, where the focus is on the outfit and makers rarely wear their own costumes. There are other cosplay competitions, where the rules may be different. There is just wearing the costume for the sake of doing so, or making them for specific occassions like LARPS or SCA type events.

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By Freddie. 15/04/10, 04:51 pm

In relation to the above comment;

Are there any NZ groups looking for people to model costumes and such?

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By seraphik. 15/04/10, 09:35 pm

i feel the need to add my 2 cents in.

having been competing for four years now, i have always found the judges very accomodating and helpful with a wide range of issues-- just because they're not willing to bend the rules doesn't mean that they're not understanding and sympathetic. if there's something in their power that they can do to help a group or an individual entering the competition, they will do it.

it's a challenge making a competition that everyone can compete in on a level playing field, but at the same time, having a disability is also all about challenges, and i can talk about this from experience.

also, the nature of the contest can then be questioned, re: the model notion. then it turns cosplay into more of a fashion show and a catwalk than what the hobby is really about-- you yourself becoming a different character. yes, physical disabilities or psychological hurdles might make it harder for you to wear the costume/get on stage in front of an audience, but those are challenges numerous people in the cosplay community undertake and fight to overcome them.
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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By u_ne_korn. 16/04/10, 08:33 am

Freddie wrote:
In relation to the above comment;

Are there any NZ groups looking for people to model costumes and such?

I assume WOW recruit people, because those chicks they have modelling the bras are practically never the people who made them. No idea where they advertise though.
The other obvious place I can think of is schools/poly tech's that teach costume design, but based on my expereince with those sorts of systems in general I'd guess that each student is in charge of recruiting their own model or using themselves.
People sporadically advertise here for people to model stuff, but its dependent on it fitting you right.

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By Huntress. 16/04/10, 09:29 am

neimhaille wrote:
I also find it really insulting that you push my personal disability aside simply because you cannot see it. I mentioned it because it makes it clear I have thought about this (and not just in terms of the contest) and because I am not alone, I know there are others who have worked around their limitations without mentioning it to others. There are concessions and then there is disadvantaging others. What you are asking falls into the latter. A concession is to have help and support to attend the contest not make the contest totally change.


I feel that you are making some rather harsh assumptions here. I have lived with someone for almost 23 years who has a disability that people cannot see. I would NEVER in any way push aside someone's disability. However, the fact that I have lived with this person and still do all my life has made me very aware of the challenges faced on a day to day basis. What I am pointing out is that not everyone has the same disability or level of severity. There are people far worse off than one aforementioned - and not all are physical.

I have great respect and admiration for you for being able to overcome these issues. I am merely pointing out that there are a lot of people who are unable to. It is these people who I am asking you to consider. Surely a simple note from their doctor could verify their condition and the impact it has. As I am confident all personal information we give the judges is kept confidential anyway.

No insult has EVER been intended by these posts. This is not to pull down those who overcome great obstacles in this competition - I know most of us do. However, in all walks of life and arenas (universities, schools and other competitions worldwide) allowances are made to provide parity for those who do have disabilities to overcome. This was brought up NOT with the desire to give this group of people an unfair advantage, quite the reverse. I am talking about an equal opportunity here. I would hate to see ANYONE at any point in time label this competition as discriminatory. This is the main reason I have brought this up.

I am talking about this BECAUSE of how much I love Cosplay and how I have seen it grow and develop over the years. It is my desire to see it continue to grow in this manner. AND this is not about me. This has never been an attempt to stir up a hornet's nest or go about insulting the work of the unique and amazing individuals who enter.

I would be very sorry if it had been viewed as such.

I also think it is absolutely wonderful that you can be so accommodating with space and time where people need it.

Many thanks for your time and consideration,

Huntress

P.S. The post from this point forward is from the person in my household who has the disability I was speaking of:

For the purposes of identification, I will refer to myself as akal esh. I have lived with a disability for almost 30 years. I share to hopefully enlighten you as to why in its current format it is impossible for me to enter Cosplay. I love Cosplay. I think the people who organise it, run it and judge it do an exceptional job. Like my friend above, I admire and respect each individual who competes, especially those who overcome obstacles such as disability to enter. While it is wonderful that you go out of your way to provide time and space and no doubt other considerations for those who enter with disabilities, there are people like myself that simply cannot wear their costume - not because they may not want to, but simply because their disability prohibits them.

I have chosen to share some things about my own disability in the hope that you will rethink your rules and work out ways to accommodate people like myself. Firstly, let me say, that someone with a disability may have reached a place where they have found the inner strength to overcome their disability or what they themselves personally struggle with and they are to be commended for doing so. But not everyone has or is able to. From the perspective of organisations such as the Health and Disability Commission, no person with a disability should ever be required to simply get over their disability and be required to do everything an able-bodied or able-minded person can do. That must remain their choice to disclose their restrictions or scars or whatever else that may be, publicly. Anything else is considered to be discriminatory. This is why Universities for instance, have Disability Co-ordinators to ensure disabilities are accommodated to provide parity of learning. I know, because I had to utilise their services rather strenuously to get through my LLB. It gave me equality; it did not advantage me over my fellow students.

I am a very creative person. In my own home I can work at my own pace. It is set up to accommodate my needs to allow me to create. Fitting a costume on myself is very difficult. I cannot do it without assistance - but that can be overcome. What cannot be overcome is what may or may not happen on the day of the competition. I have a spinal disability. I've had many surgeries to try and correct the problems. I have a loss of over 40% total function in my body and over 75% of my body is affected. Yet if you look at me, I appear normal. I sometimes use external aids, but they create their own difficulties, so generally it is safer for me not to use them. As a result of the damage to my spine, I developed a secondary condition that has been diagnosed and misdiagnosed many times and was ultimately put into the too hard basket by labeling it CRPS. What this means for me is that I don't know if I will even be able to walk on the day, or even move. Furthermore I develop oversensitivity, which means you cannot touch me. On days such as this I cannot wear anything on my lower torso. My body interprets the simplest touch as severe pain. So the wind brushing my skin, or fabric doing the same has me in agony. I cannot sit and I cannot stand on days like this. I certainly cannot attend if I can't wear clothes on my lower torso, let alone model a costume. The painkillers I take are likely to sedate me so badly that I am incoherent. Furthermore, this can change from hour to hour. ON top of this I have residual effects from having had meningitis twice as the result of surgery and being in amongst the heat, the noise and the lights can often create debilitating migraines.

These are just some of the obstacles I have to overcome to attend Cosplay. Consequently I don't enter. Yet I am a creative person and would enjoy entering some of my re-creations. Yet I cannot guarantee my ability to attend and certainly could not model said costume - unless you wanted to run the risk of a substantial interruption to your competition through an ambulance being called because I collapsed. Where there is one of me, there are many people of the same or similar ilk. It would be lovely for people like myself to be able to enter our creations, even if we ourselves cannot physically attend, via a representative on our behalf. All other requirements of the competition could be met and the work correctly attributed to the creator, but the representative being their voice, hands and feet on the day.

Following on from this. Not all disabilities are physical. In fact psychological disabilities can be all the more debilitating for their lack of understanding in the community. People with these disabilities cannot simply overcome them and get on with it. They may be extremely creative and talented, but find it impossible to cross the barrier their psychological illness or disability creates for them. This is true even if the barrier is only perceived in their own mind.

Thank you all for taking the time to listen to my story. I truly hope it provides some food for thought.

Best Wishes and Kind Regards,
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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By neimhaille. 16/04/10, 10:04 am

For WoW you have to make the garment for a model not for yourself- you can choose a model or have them choose for you. The garments need to a specific size or (tiny) range of sizes- for the models to be uniform and in case they are displayed after they have to go on mannequins of WoWs choosing.
Also professionals are allowed to enter. The performance is choreographed and the garments are posted in well ahead of time for judging. The models are not being judged as they are part of the display, ditto for the dancers etc. also used to fill the stage.
Yeah I have studied their rules and even was on a shortlist to work for the museum.

When you are working in a school and have to make garments they are rarely for yourself unless the project is specified for that. I'm not sure how models are chosen but the pattern blocks etc are for industry standards and thus the sample garments made are to a standard size.

The only contest I know where you can have a model or not that works is the Trash to Fashion contest in Auckland which I am also part of (last year and this year). The judging is done over two weekends. Four full time days of work and the entire contest is done in stages over a few months (registration ends months before the garments are seen.) It is also aimed at children between the ages of 5 and ten as well as high school kids. The model still has to be heavily involved as they are the ones to answer judges questions about how the entry was made.
The winner of 08 won with her garment she created while recouperating from an incredibly nasty accident and in fact modeled it herself despite the pain she was in and despite it affecting how she moved. It was part of why she won as her costume was all about recovery mental, physical and emotional.



For all of the above the garments have to be original designs and creations by the designers.


I was asked to judge both this and T2F because of my understanding of costume, my absolute and utter non-bias, the passion I have for the work and the extreme empathy I have with the contestants. There is not rule that I haven't had tested for breakability by people who are cunning and sneaky (aka SCAdian mischief makers who like testing things to the extreme) nor one I haven't thought about in terms of parity across the board.

The regional issue is far more of a concern. The contests are suppose to pick winners from each region. It has been purely by fluke that so far the winners have happened to come from those regions (assuming South Island for Christchurch ;) though we do have a Dunedin contest in a few weeks...) If I really wanted to make rules for restriction then I would make the regional contests exactly that. And all those who fly to each city purely for the cosplay and the contest would then be SooL. So the compromise is to run each contest as stand alone events and screen photographs of the winners at the TTCC presentation. It would be preferable to have the contestants in their costumes for the presentation but given how many people would be precluded from the Auckland contest (solid numbers not what ifs) it would be unfair. Few people can knock out enough high quality costumes in a year to be likely to win more than one contest anyway. It is still something I am constantly thinking about and thinking of the fairest options.


The novice category was begun out of this need for fairness and how the contest has evolved. It still doesn't mean every one gets a prize but it means people have a better chance to being compared.

Fairness is not about individual special cases, "but I wanted to make this and no one wants to join in" "but I need another 20 seconds for my skit" "but I didn't know the rules" "But I can't make armour and want someone else to do it for me" "but I was working/going to school on the cut off date" It's about remembering everyone faces those issues and that everyone has the ability to work around them in some way. Self responsibility and creativity make all those problems go away.

Judging is a mix of presentation (even if you don't do a skit it comes into play as presentation counts) technical excellence and ingenuity. This way everyone has a chance with the skills they have. It is a skills based contest. It is also not an exhibition. The parade was introduced for everyone who cannot or does not want to enter the contest because they do what they do and it just doesn't fit.

Concessions for disabilities are to allow a contestant access to the contest. And that is all covered. There is room for this in being able to get help in the making of and there is support to gain access to the judging room and stage and to allow minders. I really strongly recommend more people use that if they are genuinely concerned- I don't want any parents especially being concerned.

Yes, invisible illness is something I am acutely aware of, obviously. Mental illness, yep very much aware of how it affects people as it has touched my life in many ways from my own experience, to people I work with or for. The contest is not registered as a therapy. But that said a lot of patience and care and lack of patronising has helped a lot of contestants with challenges of this order. The prejudging is so that if there are any real issues it is in a controlled environment, the contestants know the way out, there is room for minders to help them. No one is thrown onto the stage with callous disregard. Everyone chooses to enter of their own accord. There is no coercion to enter.

I will never judge based on body factors. If a garment/costume is well made it is well made regardless of who is wearing it- not height nor mass nor colour nor symmetry not texture cannot be used to advantage or balanced by skill. No one can stop anyone from feeling embarrassed about themselves. But the contest is not at fault. Personal feelings need to change, not make the contest. The contest has always accepted that humans come in all sorts of shapes. Change the attitudes of the audience or learn to accept if not love your own body, the contest already does.


I will however say that there are many many factors that have been considered, implimented, sort of work, failed spectaularly or permanently incorporated. There is room for the contest to change but it will be as it evolves not by forcing change and making it go a certain way. I'd love it to be a masquerade to have an originals section for instance. But it involves more than just me or a few contestants and any change affects the contest here and in Australia and may require changes in organisation and staff. No decision is made lightly.

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By Li-Bai. 16/04/10, 10:53 am

u_ne_korn wrote:
I assume WOW recruit people, because those chicks they have modelling the bras are practically never the people who made them. No idea where they advertise though.
The other obvious place I can think of is schools/poly tech's that teach costume design, but based on my expereince with those sorts of systems in general I'd guess that each student is in charge of recruiting their own model or using themselves.
People sporadically advertise here for people to model stuff, but its dependent on it fitting you right.


You can audition for it. EaterOfCake was once in WoW.
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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By u_ne_korn. 16/04/10, 11:23 am

akal esh,
I reckon that if you want to participate in the cosplay competition, then do so. Your challenges sound like they are different to those that most cosplayers have to deal with, and I would not presume to tell you to "get over it". But we all deal with challenges, of a wide variety. From finding time and space and resources to create; physical difficulties which range from feet which refuse to fit into high heels to chronic conditions which daily impact our lives; to mental issues that range from chronic procrastination to anxiety that makes having fun extremely difficult.
Every year, people decide on the day that their personal conditions are such that they can not compete in the competition and drop out. Dropping out on the day of the competition is not a big deal. I know several people who have done it and they come back kicking the next year.

Nike may be a corporate whore of the worst variety, but "Just do it" is the best slogan ever invented.

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Post By Highlander. 16/04/10, 12:07 pm

u_ne_korn wrote:

Nike may be a corporate whore of the worst variety, but "Just do it" is the best slogan ever invented.


I live my life by it.

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Post By Zeb. 16/04/10, 05:33 pm

Ah heck.

Lets go back to ye good old days when I was running the show and was a complete strict by the book cow.

*watches everyone run away screaming in horror*

Thought so.

Knew Michaela would make the comp fantastic, and she has gone above and BEYOND.

Total respect hun.

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By Huntress. 16/04/10, 07:08 pm

u_ne_korn wrote:
akal esh,
I reckon that if you want to participate in the cosplay competition, then do so. Your challenges sound like they are different to those that most cosplayers have to deal with, and I would not presume to tell you to "get over it". But we all deal with challenges, of a wide variety. From finding time and space and resources to create; physical difficulties which range from feet which refuse to fit into high heels to chronic conditions which daily impact our lives; to mental issues that range from chronic procrastination to anxiety that makes having fun extremely difficult.
Every year, people decide on the day that their personal conditions are such that they can not compete in the competition and drop out. Dropping out on the day of the competition is not a big deal. I know several people who have done it and they come back kicking the next year.

Nike may be a corporate whore of the worst variety, but "Just do it" is the best slogan ever invented.


So - just a thought here. Have you considered that my friend only mentioned "some" of the ways in which her disability affects her? She is NOT the only person who has complex disability. We are talking about the people who are unable to enter year after year because of this. This topic has not been brought up lightly. This has taken much care and consideration. I understand your concerns and I am still very disappointed by your response. You yourself have claimed that this is a skilled-based contest. I believe your lack of ability to facilitate for this portion of people with disabilities is atrocious.

All we have asked for is for you to consider this. I fail to see that you have done this or gone away and thought about or discussed it with others involved in the system which allows for Cosplay at these events.

As for Nike's "Just do it" - "Lack of understanding and stereotyping often leads to discrimination."

I have worked for over 4 years in hospitality and part of what we do is customising our service by helping those who need that little extra assistance. Whether that is Mums with children, the elderly or people with various types of disabilities. Yes, it takes more work - in some cases a lot more work. I cannot however, explain in words the amazing feeling that comes from helping these people - especially seeing the joy on their faces at your consideration.

I had never though such consideration for your fellow man was so onerous. I feel heartbroken by the appalling attitudes displayed here. I had in all honesty thought that your own disabilities would have secured your understanding. I have to say all I have read has convinced me of bigottedness and tall poppy syndrome.

Yours regretfully,

Huntress.

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Post By Mischa. 16/04/10, 07:18 pm

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I had never though such consideration for your fellow man was so onerous. I feel heartbroken by the appalling attitudes displayed here. I had in all honesty thought that your own disabilities would have secured your understanding. I have to say all I have read has convinced me of bigottedness and tall poppy syndrome.


HA Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha. What the hell.

Did you ever think to drop a private note to the judges instead of making a huge drama queen flounce?

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Re: Armageddon Cosplay Contest Rules and registration forms
Post By JVCA. 16/04/10, 07:44 pm

I am stepping in as a mod as I believe this thread has crossed the boundary from reasonable discussion to petty argument and personal attacks. Huntress, these forums are about a fun hobby, and your behaviour is entirely inappropriate for the friendly, community atmosphere we try to uphold here. I am issuing you with an official warning for violation of our forum rules; namely rules 4 and 5 -

The rules wrote:
4: Do not post any content that may be deemed racist, homophobic, hateful, inflammatory, defamatory, sexual, libellous or promote the harm and/or abuse of any group or entity.
5: Do not make comments that are designed to start an argument.


We have a three strike system on these forums - three official warnings and you will be temporarily suspended - a fourth and you will be permanently banned. This is your first warning; it would be appreciated if you could ensure that it is your last.

Ultimately, if you don't like the rules; don't enter. It's as simple as that. There are plenty of Costuming Competitions around New Zealand that are far more exciting than wee ole' Armageddon's Cosplay Competition that do allow models - so why not enter those instead?

I do not want to hear anything more on this issue.
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